Curse

MisterB · Mar 06, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Nightow

WoW is still showing up with the "ends if target ally attacks" in pve.

Fix please! D:

They need to update the description and throw the PvE/PvP split switch. It still functions correctly between the two, ie: it doesn't end on attack in PvE.

Nessar · Mar 06, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Turret rangers most commonly used BA, tbh.

And have fun stopping PS sins from killing you Monks. You're only defense just got nerfed :/

I've usually seen turret rangers use melandru's/prep shot/some other leet idr...

About the monks, I've had some mo/? do fine w/o stances xP Just have to have fast enough reflexes. Unless theres 2,3 sins on you then yea, you're screwed.

snaek · Mar 06, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

looks my sin will have to go back to using [tiger stance]...damn turret rangers .___.

Snow Bunny · Mar 06, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I am so down with this update.

furyow · Mar 06, 2009, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Ranger
* Read the Wind: functionality changed to: "For 24 seconds, your arrows move twice as fast."

Distracting Strike: functionality changed to: "If Distracting Strike hits, it deals no damage and interrupts target foe's action. If target foe has Cracked Armor, that skill is disabled for 20 seconds."

Warrior
* Primal Rage: increased recharge to 15 seconds.

They've effective removed a whole functionality from what Read the Wind used to be. I hope they reconsider and give back some benefit in return or give back damage in attribute terms 1...10.

As the other users have said, it has no use now, better opt for Distracting Blow.

Very much dislike this change, 15 sec recharge is over kill, 8-12 sec would be more adequate for this elite. Looks like will have to go back to Warrior's Endurance now.

Greedy Gus · Mar 06, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by moriz

there isn't a purpose for distracting strike now, hence, it is useless. nobody in their right minds will run it, unless the team has a ton of cracked armor sources.

Stop being retarded. Were you complaining when no one was using dblow because of the dstrike power creep? When skills are pretty similar, one will almost always be unused unless you're going for the niche benefit.

Good update

Robbert Monga · Mar 06, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by moriz

so um... dstrike is now useless. who the hell will use it when you can just use [[distracting blow]?

Already switched to it... Though tbh it is only marginally better.

Oh and whats with tactic stances nerfs?? Didn't get enough brain power to make them less appealing to casters and more appealing to warrior, so just kill them completely?

Oh and Primal Rage? It needs cancel stance anyway... So how is frenzy + rush not just flat out better now? Maybe if they removed double damage, it wouldn't be so worthless...

Carboplatin · Mar 06, 2009, 02:25 AM // 02:25

whats with the tactics nerf, couldn't they make those pvp-only?

Tactics wasn't great before, now its just bad.

moriz · Mar 06, 2009, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Stop being retarded. Were you complaining when no one was using dblow because of the dstrike power creep? When skills are pretty similar, one will almost always be unused unless you're going for the niche benefit.

Good update

nou.

and no, i wasn't complaining with dstrike first appeared. i thought of it as a pretty decent all-purpose interrupt and damage compressor in a pinch. now it is strictly inferior in every aspect to dblow.

the only "niche benefit" that can be said, is if dstrike is also given a 10 second recharge. or, if it is also given the adjacent interrupt at 15 second recharge.

Chthon · Mar 06, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

1. A fix for the RoJ AI was desperately needed, and didn't come.

2. Ether Feast and HealSig buffs were not thought-through for PvE. These are very common monster heals, and they are going to make certain mobs much harder and significantly mess with time-pressure quest/missions that feature a large number of monsters with these skills.

3. Stance nerfs suck. Defensive stances already had their durations ruined for general-purpose PvE play awhile back. This hurts farm builds and the few people who were still using stances generally.

4. Flail nerf. Not that anyone uses tactics anymore anyway, but this just goes further to discourage us from doing it. Since flail isn't worth beans at ~8 spec now, it's Drunken Master, Frenzy, or keep the same-old-same 14 mastery, 13 strength attribute split. Gee, wonder what people are going to do?

5. Distracting strike is now unequivocally inferior to distracting blow. Oops.

6. Aura of Resto Buff. Like my ER healer needed even more energy? I guess I'd better not look a gift horse in the mouth, so THANKS!

All in all, not an updated loaded with the kinda mind-numbingly awful over-nerfs we've come to expect from Izzy, but not a very good update either.

Nude Nira · Mar 06, 2009, 02:52 AM // 02:52

If only Izzy played the game...then maybe...

Shayne Hawke · Mar 06, 2009, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Y'know, it seems that the reason Tactics has been taking hit after hit is because of abuse through secondaries. Why not do the same things as done with certain Assassin skills and the such by adding "Non-Warrior skills disabled for x seconds" or something?

moriz · Mar 06, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

i'm not even aware of any warriors using those defensive stances. in the era of invincible assassins in pve, stance warriors are simply not needed.

well actually, i saw a PR warrior who used bonnetti's defense as his cancel stance in AB. too bad for him, he couldn't get the 8 adrenaline needed to use it, and got stuck in PR while i was ganking him.

the savage nornbear · Mar 06, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Goodbye rangers. [[Read the wind] and [[flail].

BrettM · Mar 06, 2009, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Chthon

1. A fix for the RoJ AI was desperately needed, and didn't come.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. Smiting monks are now finally viable in areas of HM without undead and are even competitive with builds like Sabway and Discordway. It desperately needs to be nerfed so smiters go back to the status of a standing joke? I don't think they need to take the nerf bat to RoJ until they're prepared to fix a lot of other skills to keep the smiting option in play in the PvE meta.

Zodiac Meteor · Mar 06, 2009, 03:41 AM // 03:41

YAY! Time to get back on my healer ele!

snaek · Mar 06, 2009, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by chthon

4. Flail nerf. Not that anyone uses tactics anymore anyway, but this just goes further to discourage us from doing it. Since flail isn't worth beans at ~8 spec now, it's Drunken Master, Frenzy, or keep the same-old-same 14 mastery, 13 strength attribute split. Gee, wonder what people are going to do?

flail is strength, so it will not hurt hammer wars at all.
thought it hurts my spike sin horribly *sadfaced*
maybe a revert of [burst of aggression] to compensate plz? ^___^

Carinae · Mar 06, 2009, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by Chthon

1. A fix for the RoJ AI was desperately needed, and didn't come.

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Originally Posted by BrettM

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. Smiting monks are now finally viable in areas of HM without undead and are even competitive with builds like Sabway and Discordway. It desperately needs to be nerfed so smiters go back to the status of a standing joke? I don't think they need to take the nerf bat to RoJ until they're prepared to fix a lot of other skills to keep the smiting option in play in the PvE meta.

Reading skills FTW. AI, AI, AI.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

2. Ether Feast and HealSig buffs were not thought-through for PvE. These are very common monster heals, and they are going to make certain mobs much harder and significantly mess with time-pressure quest/missions that feature a large number of monsters with these skills.

I just did a HM VQ of Morostav, and they didn't seem too bad, even for Sunreach. I had your thought in mind though when I read the update.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

6. Aura of Resto Buff. Like my ER healer needed even more energy? I guess I'd better not look a gift horse in the mouth, so THANKS!

5e spells are now FREE on a 14 ES spec.....AND the caster gains 62hp (minimum) per cast! Ether Renewal Ele healers are now DEFINITIVELY superior to Soul Reaping healers.

I sense a PvE meta shift....

snaek · Mar 06, 2009, 04:11 AM // 04:11

i jus noticed that shield bash was left untouched...
personally i think [shield bash] > [disciplined stance]

Arkantos · Mar 06, 2009, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

Most of the warrior and the necro changes could have been PvP only too. It is not as if tactics get used in PvE.

So if the skills aren't used in PvE, why does it matter that it wasn't a PvP only change? No harm is being done.